The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. It is not my point. This is also what the state did to her. They were treated very badly in this matter. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. Robert is in his early sixties now and retired. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. I actually do not know what really happened. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. They would have tried to reopen the case. Thats the problem with high profile cases. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. On June 17, 1984, a jury found Diane Downs guilty of murder and attempted murder. Be the first to post a memory or condolences. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. We make them president. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. No. Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Q. Dianes story does not contradict that. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. Thanks again. I followed the trial. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways, with Diane becoming obsessed with him. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. It surely was not due process. Much worse. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. I will not remove anything. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. Downs was denied parole in 2008 and 2010. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. You said yourself that the title was revealing. Weve become friends. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. I feel sorry for Diane too. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? The case NEVER made sense to me. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. Ways to honor Robert Knickerbocker's life and legacy. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. You need real evidence in court. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. I would like to believe this is the truth. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. Imagine the ones there for years. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. please express them and I will print them. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. 5. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. In a perfect world this would always be the case. I am not saying she is innocent. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Inflammatory and speculative But, after she had moved to Oregon for her job with the U.S. postal service, Roger reconciled with his wife. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. Christies response: My mom.. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It would never happen todaynever. She claims the 13-year-old boy was also shot with a BB gun and taunted with racial slurs during a sleepover. Robert Knickerbocker in Scottsdale, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Scottsdale, such as Phoenix. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. Or can have an accomplice. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. (Appendix 3). Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. The kids were shorted-changed. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. Her character was also too much on the forefront. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. Published by Press & Sun-Bulletin on Sep. 23, 2015. View Robert Knickerbocker results in Florida (FL) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. In reply to Kit Wasnt it speculative on their part? This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. A 1951 graduate of Johnson City High School and retired after 20 years from the United States Air Force. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History I will post it when I get it. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. No matter how horrible people think she is. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. She said She did it. Like in their movies. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. had to wait for Christie to be able to tell them who did it. Not right at all. This site is provided as a service of SCI Shared Resources, LLC. 3. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. Robert Knickerbocker in Michigan. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. I go fishing with a jurors husband. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? There is only one major problem with your scenario. Her trial was speculative and based on so many fallacies. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. Robert V Knickerbocker, 65 Resides in Saint Augustine, FL Lived In Henderson NV, Ooltewah TN, Turlock CA, Tucson AZ Related To Audrey Knickerbocker, Bryce Knickerbocker, Sean Knickerbocker, Barbara Knickerbocker, Ian Knickerbocker Also known as Robert V Knickerbocke, Robert V E Knickerbock, Bob Knickerbo Includes Address (7) Phone (4) Email (4) Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. Twitter is an internet service where users can update the world in real-time as to their current activities, thoughts and location in 140 characters or less. I was always really bothered by that. 1st, you came back from a trip? Later that year, Downs was transferred to a maximum-security prison in New Jersey, where authorities believed she would be less likely to escape because she knew no one there and would have no place to run. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. I was being sarcastic. (Yes, speculative). In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. Anyways. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. AGE 70s Robert W Knickerbocker Woodlawn, TN Aliases Robert W Knickerbocker Bocker Robert W Knickerbocke Phone Number (He WAS shot in the back remember). I know several foster parents and social workers. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. By many accounts, her children adored her. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. On July 21, she was recaptured less than half a mile away from the prison at a house with a group of men. I found nothing. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. Resides in Woodlawn, TN. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. Who Is Robert Knickerbocker? But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. Prosecutors argued that Downs wanted to kill her children so she could be free to continue her affair with Robert Knickerbocker, who had been adamant that he did not want children. Is it too late to respond to this? Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Her next parole hearing will be in 2020. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? In reply to Nick. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. Hospital employees recall that Downs attitude was very strange and she seemed incredibly calm in spite of her tragic situation. Our laws are not written that way. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted She was not in the car when her children were shot. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Kelli Stapleton- A Mothers Wuthering Woes. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. It wasnt their fault, it was the job of the social workers and the courts to make sure the kids were not isolated from family. Diane Downs had an affair with Roger Knickerbocker, a married man while she lived in Arizona. But you are right to say that it is my site. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. Makes no difference to me. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. No other shooter involved in her case. Why is there virtually no info on him? Not giving you free reign here. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. , 87. Facebook gives people. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. She is a monster and belongs in prison for the rest of her life. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Its a fact. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. 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